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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
		<link>http://www.theoria.ca/theoria/archives/2007/05/divisions-and-decisions.html/comment-page-1#comment-31959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig--I just saw this. Your response to Nate regarding unity is spot on. There is no need to posit a wholeness that is then divided. The oppositional sides may well (and usually do) understand their conflict quite differently; this is part of antagonism means. So, the very recognition of a movement or position to which Nate points is not, of course, from a neutral, outside, or metaposition, but itself inscribed in a setting already antagonistically ruptured. 

To say that politics is about division is a general statement. It may even be unifying. But it isn&#039;t neutral and so it will be (and is) countered by statements that disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig&#8211;I just saw this. Your response to Nate regarding unity is spot on. There is no need to posit a wholeness that is then divided. The oppositional sides may well (and usually do) understand their conflict quite differently; this is part of antagonism means. So, the very recognition of a movement or position to which Nate points is not, of course, from a neutral, outside, or metaposition, but itself inscribed in a setting already antagonistically ruptured. </p>
<p>To say that politics is about division is a general statement. It may even be unifying. But it isn&#8217;t neutral and so it will be (and is) countered by statements that disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 01:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

I&#039;ve been thinking this over for a while now, and ultimately, I very much like what you have done by making the connection between sacrifice and law. It is clearly not equally applicable in every instance. HIV-positive persons and sex offenders are stigmatized people, and the laws that concern them bear the mark of that stigma. The founding of a library, or the establishment of a holiday, could only be compared to an incision through an act of strained rhetoricity. But so much is not required; your category helps us think through some of the commonest acts of politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking this over for a while now, and ultimately, I very much like what you have done by making the connection between sacrifice and law. It is clearly not equally applicable in every instance. HIV-positive persons and sex offenders are stigmatized people, and the laws that concern them bear the mark of that stigma. The founding of a library, or the establishment of a holiday, could only be compared to an incision through an act of strained rhetoricity. But so much is not required; your category helps us think through some of the commonest acts of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividing practices &#171; Foucault blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividing practices &#171; Foucault blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9th, 2007 by Jeremy    Craig at Theoria notes: While Foucault would have us cut off the king’s head in political theory, he wouldn’t have us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9th, 2007 by Jeremy    Craig at Theoria notes: While Foucault would have us cut off the king’s head in political theory, he wouldn’t have us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Craig,

I love the OED, should have checked that myself but I&#039;ve got the end of term lazies something fierce and a mild case of the end of term stupids. 

I stand corrected about the etymology of decide. I&#039;ll have to think more about the -cision stuff and get back to you. I think there&#039;s a related something here about negation vs positivity.

cheers,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Craig,</p>
<p>I love the OED, should have checked that myself but I&#8217;ve got the end of term lazies something fierce and a mild case of the end of term stupids. </p>
<p>I stand corrected about the etymology of decide. I&#8217;ll have to think more about the -cision stuff and get back to you. I think there&#8217;s a related something here about negation vs positivity.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, a &quot;unity&quot; is constituted through its opposition to an &quot;outside.&quot; When the disparate branches of the working class &quot;unite,&quot; they unite against capitalism; against the bourgeoisie; against exploitation; etc. When women &quot;unite&quot; as feminists, they are united against patriarchy; against sexism; and so on. Your last paragraph is correct - I left that implicit (I hope). 

The OED presents the following etymology for &quot;decide&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[a. F. décider (1403 in Hatzf.), ad. L. d{emac}c{imac}d{ebreve}re to cut off, cut the knot, decide, determine, f. DE- I. 2 + -cæd{ebreve}re to cut. In OF. also des-cider, in Eng. des-, dis-: cf. DE- I. 6.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the following is given for &quot;decision&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[a. F. décision (14th c. in Hatzf.), ad. L. d{emac}c{imac}si{omac}n-em cutting down, decision, n. of action from d{emac}c{imac}d-{ebreve}re to DECIDE.] &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The etymology for &quot;incision&quot; is quite interesting:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[a. F. incision (13-14th c. in Hatz.-Darm.), ad. L. inc{imac}si{omac}n-em, n. of action from inc{imac}d{ebreve}re to cut in, INCIDE v.1 The 16-17th c. spelling in insc- arose from erroneously referring the word to L. scind{ebreve}re, scissum to divide, tear, cut: cf. abscision, abscission, and scissors (orig. cysours, cizars, F. ciseaux).] &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The prefix &quot;de-&quot; has a rather complex etymology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, a &#8220;unity&#8221; is constituted through its opposition to an &#8220;outside.&#8221; When the disparate branches of the working class &#8220;unite,&#8221; they unite against capitalism; against the bourgeoisie; against exploitation; etc. When women &#8220;unite&#8221; as feminists, they are united against patriarchy; against sexism; and so on. Your last paragraph is correct &#8211; I left that implicit (I hope). </p>
<p>The OED presents the following etymology for &#8220;decide&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>[a. F. décider (1403 in Hatzf.), ad. L. d{emac}c{imac}d{ebreve}re to cut off, cut the knot, decide, determine, f. DE- I. 2 + -cæd{ebreve}re to cut. In OF. also des-cider, in Eng. des-, dis-: cf. DE- I. 6.]</p></blockquote>
<p>And the following is given for &#8220;decision&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>[a. F. décision (14th c. in Hatzf.), ad. L. d{emac}c{imac}si{omac}n-em cutting down, decision, n. of action from d{emac}c{imac}d-{ebreve}re to DECIDE.] </p></blockquote>
<p>The etymology for &#8220;incision&#8221; is quite interesting:</p>
<blockquote><p>[a. F. incision (13-14th c. in Hatz.-Darm.), ad. L. inc{imac}si{omac}n-em, n. of action from inc{imac}d{ebreve}re to cut in, INCIDE v.1 The 16-17th c. spelling in insc- arose from erroneously referring the word to L. scind{ebreve}re, scissum to divide, tear, cut: cf. abscision, abscission, and scissors (orig. cysours, cizars, F. ciseaux).] </p></blockquote>
<p>The prefix &#8220;de-&#8221; has a rather complex etymology.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My etymology chops aren&#039;t great, so maybe I&#039;m off here - isn&#039;t &quot;de-&quot; a negation? If so, then &quot;de-cision&quot; would be something like &quot;un-cut&quot; wouldn&#039;t it? 

Etymology aside, I like what I take to be the spirit of emphasizing division, but it seems to me that politics could just as much be said to be about uniting rather than dividing.You say that politics is about dividing, but at a level larger than the individual. Which means that politics is about some level above the individual at which at least two individuals are united with each other against other individuals. 

Similar relationship between dividing and uniting in the line you quote from Jodi - one movement or position is only recogizable as itself if it differs from a second movement or position. Parallel to the disagreements over sovereignty at I Cite, if these movements or positions are to be recognizable as being movements or position then there must be some unifying quality to them qua movement/position. Also, to say &quot;all politics is about division&quot; is itself a type of unification.  

take it easy,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My etymology chops aren&#8217;t great, so maybe I&#8217;m off here &#8211; isn&#8217;t &#8220;de-&#8221; a negation? If so, then &#8220;de-cision&#8221; would be something like &#8220;un-cut&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>Etymology aside, I like what I take to be the spirit of emphasizing division, but it seems to me that politics could just as much be said to be about uniting rather than dividing.You say that politics is about dividing, but at a level larger than the individual. Which means that politics is about some level above the individual at which at least two individuals are united with each other against other individuals. </p>
<p>Similar relationship between dividing and uniting in the line you quote from Jodi &#8211; one movement or position is only recogizable as itself if it differs from a second movement or position. Parallel to the disagreements over sovereignty at I Cite, if these movements or positions are to be recognizable as being movements or position then there must be some unifying quality to them qua movement/position. Also, to say &#8220;all politics is about division&#8221; is itself a type of unification.  </p>
<p>take it easy,<br />
Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Healing&#039; could mean that... but if we want to push the metaphor, that is likely a immune system response. (I&#039;m vaguely pointing to Derrida here.) I don&#039;t think politics is limited to affiliation (you might not be suggesting this, however). Political identities are often retrospective whereas affiliations are pro-spective and, worse, it implies a reduction of politics to rationality and rationalization. If you move beyond affiliations and collective actions and look from a biopolitical perspective, you can easily find examples: for instance, laws that require HIV positive people to declare their status to potential sexual partners lest they be charged with assault. It isn&#039;t as though the HIV positive got together and said, &quot;Hey, you know what would be a good idea, if there were laws forcing us to tell people we were HIV positive!&quot; The group of people marked by HIV are - quite literally - cut out of the body of the population and made into their own group. Sex offender registries present another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Healing&#8217; could mean that&#8230; but if we want to push the metaphor, that is likely a immune system response. (I&#8217;m vaguely pointing to Derrida here.) I don&#8217;t think politics is limited to affiliation (you might not be suggesting this, however). Political identities are often retrospective whereas affiliations are pro-spective and, worse, it implies a reduction of politics to rationality and rationalization. If you move beyond affiliations and collective actions and look from a biopolitical perspective, you can easily find examples: for instance, laws that require HIV positive people to declare their status to potential sexual partners lest they be charged with assault. It isn&#8217;t as though the HIV positive got together and said, &#8220;Hey, you know what would be a good idea, if there were laws forcing us to tell people we were HIV positive!&#8221; The group of people marked by HIV are &#8211; quite literally &#8211; cut out of the body of the population and made into their own group. Sex offender registries present another example.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://www.theoria.ca/theoria/archives/2007/05/divisions-and-decisions.html/comment-page-1#comment-31141</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note on this: &quot;I should preface by saying I didn’t follow Joseph’s post all that closely - the comments went in what I found to be a rather uninteresting direction.&quot;

I didn&#039;t necessarily have economic questions uppermost in my mind as I wrote the original post; that was the result of negotiations with commenters.

It&#039;s good to get your take, though I admit that I don&#039;t see how each act of political affiliation and collective decision cuts &lt;i&gt;into&lt;/i&gt; the body politic. The bodily metaphor appears problematic; a &quot;healing&quot; could mean the successful repression of a resistance movement. An amputation could mean an insurgency -- perhaps the body we are looking for here is the body in &lt;I&gt;Evil Dead 2&lt;/i&gt;, where the hand becomes possessed and goes for its own throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note on this: &#8220;I should preface by saying I didn’t follow Joseph’s post all that closely &#8211; the comments went in what I found to be a rather uninteresting direction.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t necessarily have economic questions uppermost in my mind as I wrote the original post; that was the result of negotiations with commenters.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to get your take, though I admit that I don&#8217;t see how each act of political affiliation and collective decision cuts <i>into</i> the body politic. The bodily metaphor appears problematic; a &#8220;healing&#8221; could mean the successful repression of a resistance movement. An amputation could mean an insurgency &#8212; perhaps the body we are looking for here is the body in <i>Evil Dead 2</i>, where the hand becomes possessed and goes for its own throat.</p>
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